What a waste
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taleyaComplete and utter waste that season finale was.
Yeah, I didn't expect anything too much from it. This whole season has been rather like imperfectly cooked porridge without any seasoning - bland and boring, with the occasional piece that you could either sink you teeth into or choke on.
And the finale was just a second helping.
This came across as incredibly sloppily written. Oh dear. Armageddon. It could have been good, but it fell flat on its face. The biggest waste in this was the long-touted battle between the Cybermen and the Daleks. Instead of seeing a decent war, we get rather Darth Vader-esque bleats of "We can upgrade together!"Join with me luke and what ends up being a bunch of shiny shiny creatures with guns going "poot-poot-pooot" at each other while humans run around screaming randomly.
This was what I wanted to see. I wanted to see a quite frankly psychotic battle between the two iconic baddies of DW. I wanted to see world war three on a braveheart scale of brutality. What did we get? Poot-poot-poot.
Quite honestly you didn't need the Cybermen there at all. In fact, it would have been more horrific to have the humans from the parallel world breaking into and attempting to take over our own because their own was unlivable after the war against the Cybus cyborgs. Humans are the monsters. It would have made a nice bookend to the Christmas Invasion. Apart from that, it's obvious that the production team have a massive hardon for Daleks, and they wrote them as such. "Oh Daleks gotta win! Gotta win Daleks! " Fuck that shit, after seeing their weapons were ineffective, I wanted to see the Cybus lot go after them and take them apart with their bare hands.
The storyline was weak. Paper-weak. And not the weakness that last year's finale had - which, let's face it, was extremely forgivable given the sheer scale and impressiveness of it - but the sort of weakness you get from third-rate station toilet paper that ends up breaking under the pressure of your fingers and smearing your hands with fecal matter.
The Cybermen come over here! they don't know why, they just do. Oh ho ho. Looky here! we found a hole! After the white rabbit and once more unto the breach ey wot wot? And then the humans FOLLOW them. Jeez, Pete explicitly states they had massive problems with them, they had them sealed into factories and quite frankly didn't know wtf to do with them. Suddenly their problems are solved, they should be happy happy people. Instead, they go and get involved in a war that they then turn around and state IS NOT THEIR BLOODY PROBLEM. I've had thick-sauced pasta dishes that were less sloppy than this writing.
So anyway. We have Daleks, in a Time Lord prison ship. And anyone who's travelled in time can release them!!
...the fuck?
Ok
1) why keep prisoners. We're talking all out war. The High Council had no qualms about sending the Doctor to explicitly commit mass genocide of the Dalek race in Genesis, so why the hell would they want prisoners? You can't exactly rehabilitate a Dalek.
2) Oh, chronoton absorption can release it! Except by that time there are several time travelling races, INCLUDING the Daleks who could have set them free. You'd think they'd have used the Rassilon Imprimature. It would have been better to have them force the Doctor to release them. Especially since they did that whole "Oh, we recognise that man as possibly being the Doctor despite not having seen him since possibly his 8th incarnation..."
Wanking with one hand, and pissing on canon with the other. This is beyond a joke.
But Mickey sets them loose in a scene that's supposed to be a swanky nod back to the s27 ep Dalek, despite the fact that they wanted no part of that distastfully wanky canon thing as they've said so many times and the thing starts shooting out Daleks like a pez dispenser. It was at this point![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
torasin was saying we should get a decent battle now - because there's no longer just four daleks, the production guys can afford to flip some off as canon fodder.
Nope. Poot Poot Poot. Argh argh argh, cur humans running around, cue the main characters acting like freshly beheaded chooks and everyone going "WTF?" Even the characters think this is getting a bit stupid.
So! The Cybermen ally themselves with humans! Despite all their talk about how humans are inferior, we must be upgraded, they are better than us, stronger, more powerful, oh, and their weapons are probably more effecient than standard human artillery but nope. They're siding with us. Does not compute. Lesse..they were merrily dominating their way against our armies. The Daleks are taking them out like ninepins. So..Let's join with the pissy forces to beat 'em! yaaaay! While you're at it, bung a rock at them for me, wouldja?
And then, suddenly, miraculously, the Doctor pulls a solution clean out of his bum. Now I know a lot of people say this happens aaaaaaalll the tiiiiiiiiime with DW, but at least they do SOME pre-work. This is as bad as the TARDIS swallowing Blon in Boom Town to finish it off. So what happens? We get an insane Jumanji-like solution with all the cybermen and daleks swirling around and around and getting sucked into buildings and into holes and damn, I do want an icon of that because it didn't look cool it was just so damned FUNNY thattorasin and I damned near pissed ourselves laughing.
And then it degenerates into soapie dribble about Rose. Come on, at least throw us a 'fantastic' line. But finally finally we see it. David Tennant. Acting, the way we KNOW he can. This has been a bit of a sore point with me all season - I've seen him in many things before he was slated as the Tenth Doctor and he's always impressed me as a good actor. Right up there with Andrew J Robinson (DS9's Garak) , Andrew Miller (Cube, Nothing), and David Hewlett (Atlantis, Pin) in my personal scope. But stick him in a dream role and he becomes mister cardboard cutout. The hell?
Several pre-series screening interviews said that he's been pushing for darker slants, pushing the envelope on some eps. If this season is the result, then I honestly shudder at the thought of what it would have been like if he hadn't.
Compare this finale to Parting of the ways. We had Plot. Ramifications. Pain, time wars, characters that could be developed in a short order and at least you felt something when they met their inevitable squishy deaths. What do we get here? Daddy issues and Emo Cybermen.
But, the season is over, and here's hoping like fuck we at least get the level of s27 back.
Interesting points:
- If there is a parallel Torchwood...then there must be a parallel Doctor. Torchwood was created as a direct consequence of the Doctor's actions.
- If Cybus did indeed get their technology from International Electromatics (Tobias Vaugn's company (Invasion)) then surely Torchwood would have been on that like shit on velcro. Cyber technology? They'd be all over that shit. Perhaps it was a link to Cybus that ended up bringing about their downfall. Now that's an interesting thought...
Niggles
- Ok, RTD, you're just not making sense. Please back the fuck off now and let other people write decent stories. If this is, as you've so touted, the same man who fought the Master, the Daleks, the Silurians...and Torchwood was created in the 1800s, then what the FUCK were they doing throughout the UNIT years? Why was UNIT created at all? Jesus christ man, you're a who fan, you KNOW how obsessively wanky we are. So why end up pissing about with a backstory you're so in love with that you end up making the two canons almost irreconcilable? You should have just made it UNIT / Broadsword and stopped gazing lovingly into your own mirror and reinventing the wheel.
- Please stop treating people like idiots. "Time Lord Technology - it's bigger on the inside than the outside!" yeah, that hoary old fan joke just sounds pathetic now. Try having him say the dimensional transcedentialism - and then when someone says "wha?" you trot out the joke. It would have made the Doctor sound less like a yokel and brought us back a bit to the sci fi roots.
- Skaro is the Dalek home planet. Gallifrey was the Time Lords homeworld. For fucks sake, just say the words. Gall-i-frey. Ska-ro. They're not hard. Stop pissing about and trying to build a mythos about them and make them all mysterious and unnamed when any half-wit with a library card can hit the BBC site and find out what they are. Build the mythos from existing facts, you twats.
- The Cult of Skaro - well, setting aside the whole old school canon where they used humans as components in their battle computers rather than contaminating their own - given how the lone Dalek in Dalek related to its own individuality, and the massive racial purity that the Daleks have - why have the Cult? Why contaimante their own kind? Bloody hell, I was hoping that the Black Dalek would give us a snifter of the Dalek Civil War and we'd end up with the imperial faction.
Rose: "I killed the emperor. Wiped out your whole race"
Black Dalek: "They were Impure. The Dalek Race thanks you."
- Rose remembers wiping out the emperor, but can't remember bringing Jack back to life, merging with the TARDIS and killing the 9th Doctor. Talk about selective memory...
All in all?
Well, it suited the season. Bah.
Yeah, I didn't expect anything too much from it. This whole season has been rather like imperfectly cooked porridge without any seasoning - bland and boring, with the occasional piece that you could either sink you teeth into or choke on.
And the finale was just a second helping.
This came across as incredibly sloppily written. Oh dear. Armageddon. It could have been good, but it fell flat on its face. The biggest waste in this was the long-touted battle between the Cybermen and the Daleks. Instead of seeing a decent war, we get rather Darth Vader-esque bleats of "We can upgrade together!"
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About 15 years ago, this image appeared in a fanzine. (Quite possibly Data Extract) along with a bit of a fanwank about a Dalek/Cyberman war. And seriously, it shits all over RTD's poot-pooting. Actually when you look at it, it does show a serious flaw that are with s28's cybermen - they've lost that visceral, brutal power that was very much a homage to their Frankestein origins - the human form, twisted and monstrous. |
This was what I wanted to see. I wanted to see a quite frankly psychotic battle between the two iconic baddies of DW. I wanted to see world war three on a braveheart scale of brutality. What did we get? Poot-poot-poot.
Quite honestly you didn't need the Cybermen there at all. In fact, it would have been more horrific to have the humans from the parallel world breaking into and attempting to take over our own because their own was unlivable after the war against the Cybus cyborgs. Humans are the monsters. It would have made a nice bookend to the Christmas Invasion. Apart from that, it's obvious that the production team have a massive hardon for Daleks, and they wrote them as such. "Oh Daleks gotta win! Gotta win Daleks! " Fuck that shit, after seeing their weapons were ineffective, I wanted to see the Cybus lot go after them and take them apart with their bare hands.
The storyline was weak. Paper-weak. And not the weakness that last year's finale had - which, let's face it, was extremely forgivable given the sheer scale and impressiveness of it - but the sort of weakness you get from third-rate station toilet paper that ends up breaking under the pressure of your fingers and smearing your hands with fecal matter.
The Cybermen come over here! they don't know why, they just do. Oh ho ho. Looky here! we found a hole! After the white rabbit and once more unto the breach ey wot wot? And then the humans FOLLOW them. Jeez, Pete explicitly states they had massive problems with them, they had them sealed into factories and quite frankly didn't know wtf to do with them. Suddenly their problems are solved, they should be happy happy people. Instead, they go and get involved in a war that they then turn around and state IS NOT THEIR BLOODY PROBLEM. I've had thick-sauced pasta dishes that were less sloppy than this writing.
So anyway. We have Daleks, in a Time Lord prison ship. And anyone who's travelled in time can release them!!
...the fuck?
Ok
1) why keep prisoners. We're talking all out war. The High Council had no qualms about sending the Doctor to explicitly commit mass genocide of the Dalek race in Genesis, so why the hell would they want prisoners? You can't exactly rehabilitate a Dalek.
2) Oh, chronoton absorption can release it! Except by that time there are several time travelling races, INCLUDING the Daleks who could have set them free. You'd think they'd have used the Rassilon Imprimature. It would have been better to have them force the Doctor to release them. Especially since they did that whole "Oh, we recognise that man as possibly being the Doctor despite not having seen him since possibly his 8th incarnation..."
Wanking with one hand, and pissing on canon with the other. This is beyond a joke.
But Mickey sets them loose in a scene that's supposed to be a swanky nod back to the s27 ep Dalek, despite the fact that they wanted no part of that distastfully wanky canon thing as they've said so many times and the thing starts shooting out Daleks like a pez dispenser. It was at this point
torasin was saying we should get a decent battle now - because there's no longer just four daleks, the production guys can afford to flip some off as canon fodder.Nope. Poot Poot Poot. Argh argh argh, cur humans running around, cue the main characters acting like freshly beheaded chooks and everyone going "WTF?" Even the characters think this is getting a bit stupid.
So! The Cybermen ally themselves with humans! Despite all their talk about how humans are inferior, we must be upgraded, they are better than us, stronger, more powerful, oh, and their weapons are probably more effecient than standard human artillery but nope. They're siding with us. Does not compute. Lesse..they were merrily dominating their way against our armies. The Daleks are taking them out like ninepins. So..Let's join with the pissy forces to beat 'em! yaaaay! While you're at it, bung a rock at them for me, wouldja?
And then, suddenly, miraculously, the Doctor pulls a solution clean out of his bum. Now I know a lot of people say this happens aaaaaaalll the tiiiiiiiiime with DW, but at least they do SOME pre-work. This is as bad as the TARDIS swallowing Blon in Boom Town to finish it off. So what happens? We get an insane Jumanji-like solution with all the cybermen and daleks swirling around and around and getting sucked into buildings and into holes and damn, I do want an icon of that because it didn't look cool it was just so damned FUNNY that
torasin and I damned near pissed ourselves laughing.And then it degenerates into soapie dribble about Rose. Come on, at least throw us a 'fantastic' line. But finally finally we see it. David Tennant. Acting, the way we KNOW he can. This has been a bit of a sore point with me all season - I've seen him in many things before he was slated as the Tenth Doctor and he's always impressed me as a good actor. Right up there with Andrew J Robinson (DS9's Garak) , Andrew Miller (Cube, Nothing), and David Hewlett (Atlantis, Pin) in my personal scope. But stick him in a dream role and he becomes mister cardboard cutout. The hell?
Several pre-series screening interviews said that he's been pushing for darker slants, pushing the envelope on some eps. If this season is the result, then I honestly shudder at the thought of what it would have been like if he hadn't.
Compare this finale to Parting of the ways. We had Plot. Ramifications. Pain, time wars, characters that could be developed in a short order and at least you felt something when they met their inevitable squishy deaths. What do we get here? Daddy issues and Emo Cybermen.
But, the season is over, and here's hoping like fuck we at least get the level of s27 back.
Interesting points:
- If there is a parallel Torchwood...then there must be a parallel Doctor. Torchwood was created as a direct consequence of the Doctor's actions.
- If Cybus did indeed get their technology from International Electromatics (Tobias Vaugn's company (Invasion)) then surely Torchwood would have been on that like shit on velcro. Cyber technology? They'd be all over that shit. Perhaps it was a link to Cybus that ended up bringing about their downfall. Now that's an interesting thought...
Niggles
- Ok, RTD, you're just not making sense. Please back the fuck off now and let other people write decent stories. If this is, as you've so touted, the same man who fought the Master, the Daleks, the Silurians...and Torchwood was created in the 1800s, then what the FUCK were they doing throughout the UNIT years? Why was UNIT created at all? Jesus christ man, you're a who fan, you KNOW how obsessively wanky we are. So why end up pissing about with a backstory you're so in love with that you end up making the two canons almost irreconcilable? You should have just made it UNIT / Broadsword and stopped gazing lovingly into your own mirror and reinventing the wheel.
- Please stop treating people like idiots. "Time Lord Technology - it's bigger on the inside than the outside!" yeah, that hoary old fan joke just sounds pathetic now. Try having him say the dimensional transcedentialism - and then when someone says "wha?" you trot out the joke. It would have made the Doctor sound less like a yokel and brought us back a bit to the sci fi roots.
- Skaro is the Dalek home planet. Gallifrey was the Time Lords homeworld. For fucks sake, just say the words. Gall-i-frey. Ska-ro. They're not hard. Stop pissing about and trying to build a mythos about them and make them all mysterious and unnamed when any half-wit with a library card can hit the BBC site and find out what they are. Build the mythos from existing facts, you twats.
- The Cult of Skaro - well, setting aside the whole old school canon where they used humans as components in their battle computers rather than contaminating their own - given how the lone Dalek in Dalek related to its own individuality, and the massive racial purity that the Daleks have - why have the Cult? Why contaimante their own kind? Bloody hell, I was hoping that the Black Dalek would give us a snifter of the Dalek Civil War and we'd end up with the imperial faction.
Rose: "I killed the emperor. Wiped out your whole race"
Black Dalek: "They were Impure. The Dalek Race thanks you."
- Rose remembers wiping out the emperor, but can't remember bringing Jack back to life, merging with the TARDIS and killing the 9th Doctor. Talk about selective memory...
All in all?
Well, it suited the season. Bah.
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Date: 2006-07-09 09:11 pm (UTC)As for the 'Tyler family' ending..I was making retching sounds at that.
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Date: 2006-07-09 09:15 pm (UTC)poot-poot-poot. Pootity-poot-poot-fuckin'-poot.
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Date: 2006-07-09 09:36 pm (UTC)Black Dalek: "They were Impure. The Dalek Race thanks you."
Fuck! That would have been amazing.
I admit, I haven't watched the whole thing through, but I've been completely spoiled (and I'm ok with that). And I'm not sure I can bring myself to do it. I just hate being disappointed, especially since I love Four, Five, and Nine.
I agree with you about Tennant. He's a good actor (and I think Billie did a good job in season 1/27), and it's just so aggravating to see everything just dropped by the writers. Why would they even admit that they don't converse with one another for continuity's sake?
And it really seems like after all the Conservatism Evil and Hubris Bad elements in this season, we've been completely let down.
Grar.
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Date: 2006-07-09 09:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-09 09:47 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-09 09:57 pm (UTC)My nit pick though is , the cybermen were far to fucking talkative, just shut the fuck up, and pound in the sodding head plates al ready. And Cybermen dont cry!! i dont give a fuck who she was, she could have done without the whole emo oil thing.
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Date: 2006-07-09 10:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-09 10:39 pm (UTC)They should have had some explanation for that though. Even my 5 year old called her a baby for crying, then he took pot shots at the doc's own emo tears. He's becomming a judgmental asshole...im so proud.
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Date: 2006-07-09 10:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-10 07:29 am (UTC)Personally I liked the bitch talking Daleks and Cybermen, especially that terrifying moment when it looked like they would join forces (because that would be a good thing, oh wait a minute). However I was pissed off with quite how one-sided the fight was, the cybermen should have at least made a dent in the daleks.
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Date: 2006-07-09 09:42 pm (UTC)- If there is a parallel Torchwood...then there must be a parallel Doctor. Torchwood was created as a direct consequence of the Doctor's actions.
Not necessarily. We don't know enough how the parallel universe idea works. It could be that Torchwood is destined to be created in certain universes, regardless of the Doctor's appearance or not. OR, if there are countless parallel universes that spring from choices that have to be made, perhaps that parallel universe and the known universe were one in the same, and they diverged courses anytime after the Doctor's doings with the Queen.
- Ok, RTD, you're just not making sense. Please back the fuck off now and let other people write decent stories. If this is, as you've so touted, the same man who fought the Master, the Daleks, the Silurians...and Torchwood was created in the 1800s, then what the FUCK were they doing throughout the UNIT years? Why was UNIT created at all? Jesus christ man, you're a who fan, you KNOW how obsessively wanky we are. So why end up pissing about with a backstory you're so in love with that you end up making the two canons almost irreconcilable? You should have just made it UNIT / Broadsword and stopped gazing lovingly into your own mirror and reinventing the wheel.
There actually is a reason for the massive downplaying of UNIT and the forced-feeding of Torchwood. "UNIT" stands for "United Nations Intelligence Taskforce". I'm unsure as to exactly what reasons they were (legal? Political correctness? Covering their asses?) but the Producers decided to downplay the "United Nations" part from the inception of the show should it upset/piss-off/not sit well with the ACTUAL United Nations.
- Please stop treating people like idiots. "Time Lord Technology - it's bigger on the inside than the outside!" yeah, that hoary old fan joke just sounds pathetic now. Try having him say the dimensional transcedentialism - and then when someone says "wha?" you trot out the joke. It would have made the Doctor sound less like a yokel and brought us back a bit to the sci fi roots.
You have to remember that that "hoary old fan joke" sounds pathetic to YOU, a longtime fan of the series, but to thousands who are just being introduced to Doctor Who, it's quite a new concept.
- The Cult of Skaro - well, setting aside the whole old school canon where they used humans as components in their battle computers rather than contaminating their own...
Except for an earlier Troughton story, yes? Didn't either "Evil" or "Power" feature Daleks that had Humanized emotions or somesuch in them?
- Rose remembers wiping out the emperor, but can't remember bringing Jack back to life, merging with the TARDIS and killing the 9th Doctor. Talk about selective memory...
Not quite sure where you're getting where she can't remember such things. The ending scene in "Parting of the Ways" has her waking up, obviously confused, and unable to remember things. But it's obvious that she's shaken up and a bit out of sorts (you would be too if you'd just had the time vortex crap within you). She seems to quickly remember that Jack is alive and ok in the continuation of that same scene during the "Children in Need" special, when she suggests they go and find Capt. Jack for help with the regeneration.
I can understand you not liking the episode or the season. A lot of people didn't. I'm still mulling it over. But some of the things you're attempting to nit-pick about sound a little too over-the top, like you're really reaching for things to be wrong.
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Date: 2006-07-09 10:21 pm (UTC)Last point I know, but I'm addressing this first as it does impact the rest :P
Niggles and good points I tend to put at the end are really my own vague fanwankings. I've lucked out on two points - I'm capable of viewing the new series as an entity in its own right, and my other half (the aforementioned
The UNIT argument I don't really understand what you're getting at. United Nations existed in the 60's and 70's when the original UNIT was conceived, and it's more than plausible they could change the meaning of the acronym. Not only that, UNIT has been involved already in the new series - in AoL/WWIII and in The Christmas Invasion. The political reasoning - if that is true, is just...well, it's a seperate rant I've had on occasion in regards to PC craziness. The FBI were pretty much the bad guys in The X-Files, the military is likewise treated in Stargate, but they both manage to tread a fine line that ensures the institutions don't lose face in the real world. A UK offshoot of UNIT could likewise be handled.
The hoary old "bigger on the inside" joke not only jarred with me, but with several new series fans as well. It's like the overplaying of the "Doctor Who?" line. It's ...I suppose it's really symptomatic of the "dumbing down" that we've been getting all season. I'm not saying we need reams and reams of sci fi doubletalk, but the occasional phrase couldn't hurt at all.
- The Cult of Skaro - well, setting aside the whole old school canon where they used humans as components in their battle computers rather than contaminating their own...
Except for an earlier Troughton story, yes? Didn't either "Evil" or "Power" feature Daleks that had Humanized emotions or somesuch in them?
Evil of the Daleks. And the experiment with the Human Factor was under false precepts. Shortly after you had that wonderful scene with the playful Daleks playing trains, it was revealed that they were trying to identify the "dalek" factor. And the human factor was in fact what started the civil war and resulted in the all-out war between the Dalek factions and on-screen destruction of the Emperor.
From an old school canon point, that is interesting though. That civil war could well be the one between the Imperial and Renegade Daleks. Admittedly it was stated that this started because the imperials were being cybernetically augmented by Davros and were considered impure by the renegades, but if you really wanted to have fun, the black Dalek in Armageddon and the cult of Skaro could tie back to that schism from Evil....
Not quite sure where you're getting where she can't remember such things. The ending scene in "Parting of the Ways" has her waking up, obviously confused, and unable to remember things. But it's obvious that she's shaken up and a bit out of sorts (you would be too if you'd just had the time vortex crap within you. She seems to quickly remember that Jack is alive and ok *snip*
The actual lines from PotW are as follows:
(Rose wakes up on the TARDIS floor)
Rose: What happened?
Doctor: don't you remember?
Rose: It's like...there was this singing.
Doctor: That's right. I sang a song and the Daleks ran away.
Rose: I was at home. No I wasn't. I was in the TARDIS and...there was this light. It...I can't remember anything else.
From there we then cut into the regeneration scene. Now, her thinking Jack is alive is plausible - at this stage she hadn't realised that main characters like Jack can and do get killed. She never saw Jack fall. The Doctor never mentioned it. So how can you get from remembering light and singing to "I poured the time vortex into his brain and fried him"? It's a rather large leap in purely TV canon terms.
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Date: 2006-07-09 11:22 pm (UTC)I'm most fucked off about him screwing up the Rose stuff. I was expecting him to at least grant her a bit of agency: something that might, possibly, in one of those parallel universes make me buy his inexplicable interest in her - but no. She gets saved by the Doctor, then saved by her Daddy. She is a little girly. She drives to Norway to say byesiebye. She exists purely in relation to the men in her life. ARGH. I may not be the world's biggest Rose fan, but he could have sent her off with more than she started with.
And the almost I love you? *throws things*
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Date: 2006-07-10 02:34 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-07-10 10:58 am (UTC)Given that the Doctor wasn't familiar with the construct, and given his comment about both sides having secrets, I can't help thinking some of the Time Lords might have had something underhand in mind for these. But we'll never know.
2) Oh, chronoton absorption can release it! Except by that time there are several time travelling races, INCLUDING the Daleks who could have set them free.
And yet that would require the Daleks to crawl out of their casings in order to touch it, assuming they hadn't burned up the energy in powering their travel machines.
- Rose remembers wiping out the emperor, but can't remember bringing Jack back to life, merging with the TARDIS and killing the 9th Doctor. Talk about selective memory...
She remembers something that the Doctor also witnessed, so that might be a hint as to why she knows one and not the other.
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Date: 2006-07-11 05:09 pm (UTC)Bugger.
*goes to watch*